Episode 46: Toddler and kids snacks

Episode 46: Toddler and kids snacks

Let’s face it – our little ones love to snack! From lunchbox staples to quick, grab-and-go bento box ideas, I’m sharing my best tips for choosing healthier snack options for kids, particularly those aged 18 months and above.

We’ll unpack everything from muesli bars to rice cakes, and I’ll call out brands that deceive parents with false health claims. Plus, I’ve got some healthier, parent-approved alternatives you can confidently pick up at the supermarket.

Highlights:

Introduction (00:00.00)
Toddler and Kids Snacks Discussion (00:29.134)
Food Standards Revision in Australia (02:47.798)
.Podcast on Food Labeling for Parents (05:11.746)
Rafferty's Gardens Toddler Bars: A Review (07:27.778)
Rafferty's Garden's Marketing Mistakes (09:54.296)
Beware of Table of Plenty Mini Rice Cakes (12:17.422)
Raffy's Guns Pea Pods and Garden's Pea Pods (14:40.014)
Comparing Rice Crackers and Mavis Health Bars(17:05.59)
New Product Overview(19:28.62)
Nutritious With Carina's Website and Happy Snack Company (21:26.894)
Promoting Nut Free Snacks (23:39.982)
Product Review: Little Bellies and Fruit Bars (25:00.002)
Popcorn as a Choking Risk for Children (27:22.028)
Podcast Episode Review Request (29:42.934)

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Key Discussion Points:

Here are the updated discussion points with headlines and descriptions:

1. Unmasking Snack Marketing Myths

Learn how to spot misleading claims like “97% yoghurt” that trick parents into thinking they’re buying healthy snacks.

2. The Reality of Food Standards in Australia

Understand why current regulations allow excessive amounts of sugar and salt in toddler snacks, and what we can do about it.

3. Decoding Nutrition Labels

Tips for navigating confusing labels so you can make informed decisions about what’s really healthy for your kids.

4. Top Healthy Snacks to Choose

Discover my favourite snack options that are low in sugar, nutritious, and easy to pack for toddlers.

5. Alternatives to Deceptive Snacks

Swap out unhealthy, misleading products with real, wholesome alternatives that your kids will love.

For more recipes and snack ideas, visit Kids Recipes https://nourishwithkarina.com/kids-recipes).

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Introduction (00:00.046)
You're listening to the Easy Feed Podcast, episode number 46, Toddler and Kids Snack. Hi there, I'm Carina Savage and with over 20 years experience feeding children, including my own, I've learned all the secrets that busy mums need to get their children eating better and actually enjoying healthy foods. So a huge welcome to the Easy Feed Podcast.

Toddler and Kids Snacks Discussion (00:29.134)
Hi guys, welcome back. It's great to have you. Today we are talking about toddler and kids snacks because it is always a hot topic and it's always something that we have to think about because our kids love to snack, right? So I'm going to be focusing on more the sort of 18 month plus snacks today, but there are still a lot of good little

jams and nuggets, you know, take home bits of information that you can definitely apply to baby snacks. I know, look, I'll talk about baby snacks as well a little, but it's definitely going to be focusing on that sort of toddler and child snacks, things that can go into the lunchbox, things that can go into little bento style boxes, because sometimes we just need those quick grab and goes and we don't want to always have to be baking things.

But it's really hard to know what is a good option these days. Look, I've been talking a fair bit about it on television, on whether it's been the news or Channel 7 Sunrise is where we've talked mostly about it in terms of the fact that the current food standards in Australia allow baby and toddler and child snack food companies to ...

pour as much salt and sugar as they want into food. There is no restriction. So really it's a free for all. So it's up to us as parents to make sure that we're choosing those healthier snack options for our children. But it's not always easy to understand which is a good option and which is a poor option because the marketing is so clever. And again, they're allowed to do this. They're allowed to say,

They're allowed to make it look healthy by saying organic or they're allowed to make it look healthy by saying 97 % yogurt and fruit when the ingredients list is worse than white chocolate. And that's the problem. That's the real issue that I have with these food companies. And there's a working group that's being put together and I should become a part of that, really should. I need to put my hat in the ring there to really lobby the food standards. So it's Australia, New Zealand food standards.

Food Standards Revision in Australia (02:47.798)
because we really need a big revision. mean, really it should just be implemented by the government. The government should basically order them to say, look, this needs to happen. I mean, I think it's a little ridiculous that we need a working group to lobby. It's really, should just be the government needs to recognise that this is such a significant issue. It just needs to go, we need to go straight to the top in why do we have to form a working group? Why can't the government just realise that this is a significant issue and just...

basically what would you say, request or instruct a huge revision of these food standards because from a long -term health perspective for our Australian public, it's a public health concern. Overseas, they have stricter regulations around what can be added into children's food. They have restrictions on sugar and salt and in the UK, they even have warnings on food packets that have artificial colours in terms of

potential health risk for children with attention disorders and attention issues. So they actually have to have a warning on these food packets that are marketed to kids when they've got artificial colours. saying it's, you know, it's got artificial colours, so it may have a detrimental impact on a child's attention or behaviour. There are other countries that have stricter food standards and food regulations, but Australia seems to be a free for all at the moment. So.

Super frustrating and just something to be really aware of because for example, I actually am going to name and shame in this podcast because it's going to benefit you and it's going to benefit your child. So for example, the Rafferty's Gardens yogurt buds, there's two, there's one that's 97 % yogurt and fruit and there's one that's 96 % yogurt and fruit and both are with some chocolate. So leave them both on the shelf. There's a little bellies one that's, you know, not that much better. I think it's about

40 something percent sugar. It's all added sugar. It's really poor. Like any of those yogurt buds are literally would leave on the shelf unless your kids were so desperate for them, you included them as part of a little platter. But just being really mindful of what you see on the food labels isn't necessarily what is in that food. It's deceiving, it's deception, and it's a real bugbear of mine at the moment, but.

Podcast on Food Labeling for Paren (05:11.746)
Hopefully that will change in the future, but until then, we need podcasts like this to educate parents. I mean, even as a pediatric dietician, I spent a long time in the supermarket looking at these foods because it's not necessarily easy to ascertain whether these are healthy or not. And parents are busy. They don't want to spend two hours in the supermarket looking at food labels. If they've got kids in tow, absolutely not. They're probably trying to stop their child.

so yeah, we don't have time for that. So you just need to know like what's a really good, quick, easy grab to pop in the trolley. And look, I'm trying to do more and more reels, especially on Instagram. I did one yesterday, which has been very, very popular. I think it's got close to 200 saves already since last night, because people just want that information. like, what do I buy? So without further ado, I'm going to.

Literally dig deep. I've got two bags full of snacks here waiting to discuss with you. And I actually went into this in a whole lot of detail. I had over an hour call yesterday with my members inside my membership. And we talked about this at length and obviously answered lots of other questions as well as we do inside the membership, Narration Kids. And I thought I'd just give you a snippet of these today.

So let's do this. I'm actually going to start with some of the poorer options. If you hear a bit of rustling in the background, it's because I'm pulling out packets of food. But there's two that I do want to bring your attention to and it's that same brand, Rafferty's Garden. It's got a pretty little picture. It's all, you know, green and leafy and it's got a smiling boy on the front. On the back, it's got a tree and it says no artificial colours, no artificial flavours, no GM ingredients.

No preservatives, suitable for children from 12 months and upwards. And then when you look at the ingredients list, it's very, very concentrated in sugar. So it's, you know, they're about 30 % sugar when you look at the ingredients list, sugars per hundred grams. And I would say that if a lot of that sugar comes from fruit, then that's okay.

Rafferty's Gardens Toddler Bars: A Review (07:27.778)
You know, so if this was say Sultana brand and most of the sugar was from the Sultanas, that's okay if the sugars line is high. It's again annoying that they put the fruit sugar in with the sugar. Like you can't actually differentiate in that sugars line how much of the sugar is from the fruit compared to how much is just added sugar, which is really annoying. They really should just separate it out, have sugar bracket and underneath it have added sugar, which is like glucose or honey or whatever. And then they should have fruit sugar.

That would be super helpful, but they don't do that. They've not been doing that for the 23 years I've been working, so I can't see it changing soon. Again, it's the food standards. But in terms of these Rafferty's Gardens toddler bars, this one's apple and raspberry. As I said, about 30 % sugar. And when you look at the ingredients list, it's wheat flour is the first ingredient. And then the second ingredient is a paste. So a paste.

already kind of doesn't raise huge alarms, but then when you look at what's in the paste, then you go, yeah, this is an added sugar. So it says apple paste, 30%. So we know that, you know, it's 30 % fruit slash sugar, because then you look at what's in the apple paste and the first ingredient is apple puree concentrate.

So this is where alarm bells are ringing. Concentrate means they have taken what was originally derived from fruit and they've concentrated and concentrated and concentrated it down to basically added sugar. That's the first ingredient. And that makes up 50 % of the apple paste. And then the second ingredient is sugar. And then the third ingredient is glucose, which is also sugar. So the list goes on and there's things like, know,

What is that? There's dextrose and then there's glycerol and raising agents. you know, the list is relatively long. I would definitely not say it's a short ingredients list. There's numbers in there. There's a natural color 163 in one of them in that's in the apple and raspberry one. But look, end of the day, not a great product. It's deceiving because you think you're giving your child apple or strawberry, but really.

Rafferty's Garden's Marketing Mistakes (09:54.296)
You're mainly giving your child added sugar. So just be really mindful of the Rafferty's Garden's yogurt buds. And the Rafferty's Garden, what are they actually called? Apple snack bars made with real fruit. See, this is the problem. Made with real fruit on the front. Give me a break. There's not much real fruit in it at all. Actually, while I'm digging through my bag, one that I have found here is the Little Bellies organic banana date and oat bars.

Now that one is just fruit. It's not a concentrated fruit juice. It's not a concentrated fruit paste. If you read this ingredients list, it's literally organic dried dates, organic whole grain oat flour, organic dried banana, then sunflower oil and rice flour, both organic. But you can see there's no pastes.

pure concentrate, anything like that and no other glucose or sugar written on there. a completely different type of fruit bar, marketed same thing, toddlers 12 months plus do what's natural, no added sugar. So they actually can say no added sugar because there actually is no added sugar. Now if the Rafferty's Gardens people on their fruit bars, if they actually didn't add glucose or

Dextrose or whatever, or it's their sugars here, they've got glucose and then they've got dextrose. Yeah. So if they actually didn't add those two, I reckon they'd still be able to get away with saying no added sugar because they're at the moment. If you use apple puree concentrate, you can still get away with saying that that's come from apples. So that's another little insight into how deceiving the marketing is right now.

Now, if I pull out something that I think is a really good option, it's the tasty made simple lamington. So basically it's a cold pressed fruit nut bar. It has the nuts, but it's similar to the little bellies in terms of it's just dried fruit. It's just dried dates and then it's cashews, cocoa, sunflower seed paste, dried coconut and natural flavour. And that's it. So where you see anything that's just a hundred percent fruit.

Beware of Table of Plenty Mini Rice Cakes (12:17.422)
nuts, oats, and that's it. That's completely fine. It's when you start seeing the ingredients list get beyond 10 ingredients and when you see concentrated fruit paste, concentrated fruit juices, and all of those concentrated means that we are basically just creating added sugar for you, for your child. Thank you very much. So beware. Now two that I'm not happy with, and it's really interesting because I actually

saw this on another dietitian's reel recommending this as a healthy snack and I was like, wow, that's 30 % sugar. Not sure that that's really a healthy snack. I mean, I'm all for giving kids a bit of sugar with other healthy snacks, but if you're giving them sugar and then giving them these as the healthy snack, then you're really doubling up on the sugar because it's these table of plenty mini rice cakes, they're berry yogurt or pure dark chocolate. think the one that

I saw was a pure dark chocolate one and look, it's 26 % sugar and the first ingredient is dark chocolate. So the dark chocolate's there, 60 % cocoa mass sugar, second ingredient sugar. If sugar's within the first three ingredients of a product, beware because it's likely that it's going to be a poorer product. And then we've got natural flavour, whole grains, brown rice, 40%. So.

Look, this is what I would include as a treat option, but I wouldn't call this the healthy snack option. So yes, they can have these little mini rice cakes that are dark chocolate or berry coated. They're berry coated once again, 25 % sugar. So they're basically one gram different scent and sugar, but both a quarter pure sugar. So just be mindful of those table of plenty. Again, at the top of the packet, it says nourishing you for life.

Then at the bottom, whole grain goodness, gluten -free, vegan -friendly, fructose -friendly. Look, I'm all for whole grain goodness and vegan -friendly and fructose -friendly, but again, it just makes it sound healthy. So it's good for those that need to be gluten -free or choose to be vegan, full support of that, but don't make the assumption that it's healthy because it's not. Okay.

Raffy's Guns Pea Pods and Garden's Pea Pods (14:40.014)
Now, Raffy's Guns Pea Pods, just three ingredients. So sorry about the background crackling. These ones aren't too bad. The sodium's a little high. So they save for babies to try and keep sodium at 50 milligrams per hundred grams or less. Now that's quite hard because a lot of these products are, you know, in the hundreds per hundred grams, like 350, 400 milligrams of sodium per hundred grams. So these ones are 300, 300 and what's this one? 252. So they are...

garden's pea pods, just three ingredients. Rafferty's gardens pea pods, cheese flavour with vitamin B. So they're not too bad. Look, they're a relatively highly processed ingredient product, but it's 92 % pea flour. Pea flour is quite nutritious. Green peas, very nutritious. It doesn't really say what the fibre is. I wouldn't expect it to have a lot of fibre because it's a pea flour. not like they've just taken the whole pea and ground it up. Peas are fantastic. Peas are very nutritious, high in fibre, but

The pea flour wouldn't be so much, but you know, it's beef lard, sunflower oil. It's a natural yeast extract for the cheese flavoring. And as I said, the salt's 250 to 300 milligrams. So, you know, if you had an 18 month old, two year old who wanted these, it's not a bad option from a snack perspective because it's pretty natural. There's no real added sugar. It's very low. It's like, wow, this one is, yeah, it's about 3 % sugar.

which is very low, a bit like Weetbix really, but Weetbix is a lot higher in fibre and a lot less processed than these pea pods that have basically taken originally from peas, ground it down to make pea flour and then basically reconstituted it back into these, I wouldn't even say they look like pea pods. Some of them are like the Harvard's fresh peas, they look like pea pods. They're actually not. So what they've done is they've taken the pea,

They've cooked it, they've crushed it, they've dried it down into pea flour, and then they've used that and reconstituted that cleverly with colouring into the pea shape. And that's what they've done with the harvest pea. So they're not too healthy, those ones, because I think the salt's a lot higher. With crackers, brown rice crackers, white rice crackers, you just have to look at the sodium to compare them. My favourite pick is the Sakata Plain, better than the Pekish.

Comparing Rice Crackers and Mavis Health Bars(17:05.59)
And yeah, with the other ones, whether they're brown rice crackers or seeded rice crackers, just look at the sodium per hundred grams to compare them and check out the ingredients list would be my recommendation with crackers. Okay. Next on to Mavis. Mavis is quite a good brand. I really like their peanut butter and now they've brought out a range of health bars and these actually do deserve the five star health rating that they've been given.

because there is no added sugar. The ingredients list is pretty short. And again, it's just whole foods. So we've got 45 % dates, we've got tapioca fibre, we've got fava bean protein, then we've got peanut flour, dark chocolate chips, and then sunflower, lesser than, and then natural vanilla flavour. So yeah, the sugars all from the dates is a very healthy option. High in fibre, high in protein, great snack. So it's a chip.

crunchy peanut butter, Mavers natural health bar. So this one's got like a pinky box and then it's sort of brownie stripped down the middle saying choc chip crunchy peanut butter. So yeah, so that's a really good one. So I'm actually quite a fan of the Mavers brand, as I said, with the peanut butter. And they've also got another couple of muesli bar options in this range as well. So they've got the choc chip crunchy peanut butter one, and then they've got another one, I think, without choc chips, but

All of those are good options. really good, wholesome muesli bar options compared to a lot of the muesli bar options out there. The Carmans actually have a pretty good range, especially their most basic range. And one of the really good ones I like has got nuts in it, but you can't send nuts to school. They do also have their birthday cake range, their brownie range. With the muesli bars, I do recommend trying to

Aim for less than five grams of sugar per bar, serve. That's a good way to compare. Look at the sugar per serve. Often I'll say compare per hundred grams, but with a muesli bar, I do like to look at the sugar per serve. Okay. Let's look at my other bag of tricks. Okay. So here I've got my Arnott's Snack Rite. It's all good. Plus fibre, Ooty Bites, fruit and oat biscuits.

New Product Overview(19:28.62)
So these are relatively new product. saw them at a conference a couple of months ago, the Articians Conference, and they, less than five grams of sugar per serve. So they kind of come in a little packet, bit like, you know, you get Oreos and tiny Teddys and whatnot. You get, I don't know, five or six little biscuits in the packet, but they're a reasonable option.

They're a good source of fibre. well, sorry, I should say they're a reasonable source of fibre. They don't get the high fibre tick because they're not three grams of fibre per serve. They're two grams of fibre per serve. But all in all, they're a reasonable option. They're less than five grams of sugar per packet. The sodium's quite low. It's like 78 milligrams per hundred grams. And yeah, I think it's a reasonable option.

Let's have a look and see, there's not too many baddies or nasties in there. No, it's just one antioxidant from soy. And then there's pretty much, no, there is a bit of a sweetener. There's a sweetener, maltitol in there. So that's probably, I mean, maltitol is mainly just going to give you tummy troubles if it was going to give you anything. So it's not one of the...

The worst sweeteners out there, like a sucrose or something like that, would stay away from for sure. Maltatold's more of a nutritive sweetener. It's not one of the synthetic chemical sweeteners. So look, that's probably the worst part about these. But as I said, I think all in all, this is a reasonably good snack and it's a lower sugar snack, but I think they still think that they're getting a treat. It's all good.

Cookies, they get three and a half in the Health Star rating. Look, the Health Star rating, don't really rate to be honest. So from my perspective, these ones are a reasonably good option for the lunchbox, especially if you haven't had time to make anything. I mean, look, it's always better if you can make cookies yourself or black bean brownie yourself or banana bread yourself or whatever. You have got a lot of great recipes on my website that are free.

Nutritious With Carina's Website and Happy Snack Company (21:26.894)
If head to my website, nourishwithcarina .com and look at the top mini bar, you'll see recipes there. But then I've also got a stack. We're coming up to almost a hundred healthy recipes inside my membership. So all my members have full access to that private recipe website, it's password protected. So that's another benefit to being on the inside of the membership. Let's move on. Actually, this one's still got some products in it. The next, I want to talk about the Happy Snack Company.

Now that is another, I think, very good option for snacks for kids. The Happy Snack Company's got fava beans, it's got chickpeas, the main two legumes that they use, but then they go to town with the flavors. So they've got everything from lime and cracked pepper, chickpeas to lightly salted to caramel, chocolate.

They've got all sorts of flavoured roasted chickpeas and the same with the fava beans. You've got your lightly salted, you've got your sea salt and balsamic vinegar. You've got like a pizza flavour, you've got a chilli flavour. I remember once I did a segment on TV, this is back, I think one of my first segments and I must've had some packets of these up on the television and so they were very grateful for the

the coverage and the exposure. I got a box full of pretty much one of everything. So I know that there's a big range of these products and that's great because everyone's got different taste preferences. my kids tend to like the salt and vinegar. Ben likes those and my daughter, and he actually likes the pizza ones too. My daughter quite likes the dark chocolate and raspberry roasted chickpeas. And when I look at the sugars per serve, it's three grams, quite low. Sodium is very low.

So it's good because it's a source of vegetable, it's a source of protein, source of fibre, and it's gluten free, not free, you can send it to school. So it's even dairy free for those needing a dairy free for their child. So yeah, it's, it's a great one. So the Happy Snack Company has those little roasted father beans and chickpeas. Just perhaps try and find them on sale because they're not the cheapest, but they are really good. think they work out to about a dollar.

Promoting Nut Free Snacks (23:39.982)
a which actually, when you think about it, if you're going to the shop and buying a packet of something, you're generally not going to get anything for a dollar. But if you can get them on sale, then it works out, you know, cheaper. Or yeah, actually probably buy a number on sale if you can. And then you can also get some of them in a bigger bag. But the little individual packets are helpful for school or when you're on the run, but yeah, not as environmentally friendly. But anyway, they're a good snack option.

But not anyway, it's good to look after the environment and I do my bestest with the nude food and I mean, our school has waste free Wednesday and I try to have pretty much waste free every day with my kids. My father -in -law was staying over with us last week and actually he only left the other day and he's like, wow, so much plastic. And it's like, well, yeah, because you're trying to avoid plastic and alf oil and whatnot. So.

It means you've got to, sorry, when he said so much plastic, he meant so many plastic containers. And I said, well, yeah, because we're trying to avoid plastic and alf oil and saving the environment. And so it's always better to use those little plastic containers, but it just means more washing. More washing! Right. Couple more.

Product Review: Little Bellies and Fruit Bars (25:00.002)
And the bottom of bag here, I've got a couple of little bellies. These are actually more for babies, but they are better than some of the others. So organic carrot puffs, we've got organic cinnamon puffs and organic strawberry pick up sticks. So again, these ones are generally lower in added sugar and for little ones really want to keep the

the added sugar under 10, if you can. These are only 5 .2 and sodium under 50 and these are 2 .9. So I find that the little bellies range is actually quite good for the baby and toddler. As I said, some of the others are a little higher. Haven't seen too many of the Rappity's Garden range that have been good. As I said, those pea pod crisps aren't too bad though. Those ones were good from that range, but yeah, I didn't really rate the other few things that I was talking about from Rappity's Garden.

Sorry, Rafferty's Garden. Just need to reduce your added sugar. I'm going to finish up with some fruit bars. So fruit bars, I like. The Carman's 100 % natural. They come in apple and mango, fruit straps, come in a strawberry and something fruit strap. There's a number of them, but when you flip the packet around, you literally see 90 % apple, 10 % mango.

That's it. don't see purees, you don't see paste, you don't see concentrates, you don't see stabilizers, emulsifiers, flavors, colors, anything. Two ingredients, apple and mango. I've got this nibblish pure fruit swirls. I would have got this from Woolies and the little strawberry with green cool sunnies on the front of it. And he's in green gumboots. It's called nibblish, 100 % real fruit. And on the back, no artificial colors, preservatives, no added sugar.

And then we look and it's literally apple, strawberry, kiwi fruit and nothing else. So the only downside of this one, it's made in China versus the Carmans are proudly Australian made and owned. So probably prefer to choose that one. But in terms of additives and preservatives and sugar, both of those are a hundred percent fruit. Okay. I've got one more for you because this one I used this morning and I use regularly for my children.

Popcorn as a Choking Risk for Children (27:22.028)
The only time I wouldn't use this is probably for a child under three because popcorn can be a choking risk. I was asked the other day after I posted my reel on kids snacks, which had the father beans, I was asked by someone if the father beans are a choking risk for a three year old. I said, no, I don't believe they are really because they're quite crumbly and they're quite flat. Whereas popcorn is more of a choking risk. I mean, chickpeas are

maybe a bit more of a risk, but they're smaller, whereas popcorn can get stuck more easily. Chickpeas, I guess you could always crush a little if you wanted to, or just give them the soft chickpeas, or even when you're giving babies chickpeas, you kind of can squash them a bit, so they're less of a choking risk. But popcorn, whilst I think it's a great snack, and I definitely, you know, would use it regularly for my kids in the lunchbox, it is more of a choking risk for a child under three.

Popcorn is definitely a high fiber, iron containing snack. And I would use that in lunch boxes. I would use that as a part of a bento box when going out. I quite like the Cobb's popcorn because sodium's not too high. So with the sodium I'd aim for less than three, 50 milligrams per hundred grams. So I think the Cobb's popcorn is about that, but it definitely is a fiber rich and containing food.

Actually, one other freebie I'll throw in for you is dried cereal. Dried cereal is a great snack. Dry cereal such as like your low sugar Cheerios is a great snack or Sultana brand is a great snack. So iron rich, fiber rich, great snack to pop in the bento box or pop in a little container for when you're on the go. But yeah, like a low sugar Cheerios, the vanilla ones would be a really good snack option because yeah, low in sugar.

giving them some iron, giving them something to crunch on, high in whole grains usually. I mean, even if you do like wheat bix bites or even just dry wheat bix, you know, you'd bick whichever, but they're another great snack option as well. Okay. I will wrap it up now, but I hope that's been really helpful for you so that next time you go to the supermarket, you've got a quick and easy snack that you can just grab and know that it's healthy.

Podcast Episode Review Request (29:42.934)
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